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11:41 am: Is Halacha for Crazy People?

In a very sad event last week, a young daughter of a shliach in Israel was tragically killed in a school-bus accident. The whole story was horrible.

At the shiva, the little girl's grandmother, the famous Miriam Swerdlov, spoke about taking the good with the bad and mi k'amcha yisrael and so on. She also sang a song with the women at the shiva, one of the tunes that reflected the idea of the Jewish people never forsaking Hashem no matter what evils befall them.

Her speech was recorded. The blog that posted the video on youtube initially deleted the singing segment. Later it posted the full version and warned that it contains KOL ISHA and is intended FOR WOMEN ONLY PLEASE.

Kol Isha is a halacha in which men are not allowed to hear women singing so that they should not get aroused and come to sin.

Okay, now I acknowledge that it is possible that there is a man out there who could be aroused by a 60 year old woman singing a niggun with a bunch of other women at her three-year-old granddaugher's shiva. Anything is possible.

But if halacha is going to cater to that, if halacha is going to take those people into account, why doesn't it consider the man who is turned on by the very sight of any woman in the first place? Why doesn't it take into account the man who might be aroused at the sound of male singing? Surely there are more men aroused by male singing or even conversation, say in shul,  than would be aroused by Miriam Swerdlov humming a tune at a shiva house. No?

I know, I know. Some people are going to start talking about boundaries and slippery slopes and how halacha has to have fixed parameters. Because if we allow men to hear this, then maybe we should let men hear women singing at a farbrengen or at shul. And from there, I guess,  it is a quick and direct path to permitting all female rock bands and wet t-shirt contests and mud wrestling.

Really, though? Is that answer enough for you? Is the slope really that slippery? Halacha doesn't have any mechanisms to permit some forms of kol isha but not others? I doubt that. So what's the deal here? How difficult would it really be for rabbonim to matir women's singing if it is in a religious context?
 

 

Tags: halacha, rabbis, tznius, women

11:48 am: Following Authority

If it is Da’at Torah to hurl cinder blocks at human beings, then we want to see a clear halachic ruling on the matter from one of the great rulers, and then we too shall act likewise. In the meantime we will warn against it. - Rabbi Moshe Grylak

 
Okay, so according to FM, an immodestly dressed girl is assaulted with a cinder block. Some rabbis, including Rabbi Moshe Grylak, condemn this atrocity and they receive high praise.  Woo-hoo. Nice. 

Does Rabbi Moshe actually think that there is no halachic ruling on the matter from a great ruler? What is a great ruler, assuming it's not one of those pink plastic things that I buy each September from Walmart? And if we had a clear halachic ruling on the matter from one of these rulers,  would we really act likewise? Or is this just a manner of speaking and any ruler who authorizes this is automatically not  "one of the great" ones?  Anyone remember those rambams that authorize murdering apikorsim and beating women?

What about you personally?  What sort of authority would have to sanction hurling cinder-blocks at young untznius girls in order for you do so?

And what's with the "warning against it" language? Are we "warned against" intermarriage? Are we "warned against" eating pork? Or is it drilled into our heads from the day we are born until the day we die? But hurling cinder blocks at people- that gets a warning. 

Tags: rabbis, tznius, women

10:34 am: Let's Play My Favorite Game.


Which one is more crazy?

Door Number One:  Fun is goyishe so don't ask me if I like to have fun. From here.

Door Number Two:  Going to Walmart is a huge sexual nisyaon for me so please don't ask me to do your shopping. From here.

Door Number Three: Shaindy.com, the primier Orthodox cheating site, is now posting sex stories featuring incest and people named Moishe Shmiel, Hershy and Blimi. From here, but I wouldn't click on this at work. Or when you're eating. They are also looking for a Yiddish-speaking secretary. I'm guessing her name is going to have to be Blimi.

Door Number Four: The people involved in the Syrian money-laundering scam were just fulfilling veahavta lereacha kamocha. A true friend will help you bury the bodies. From here.


Vote! Vote! Vote!




Tags: crazy, hypocrisy, tznius, women

12:54 am: The Source of the Problem

Okay, from what I understand of this article, the owner of a newspaper is suing a group of rabbis for banning his newspaper  and libeling it as "unsuitable" for Hareidim.  Why was it unsuitable for Hareidim? Well, it displayed photos of females. Blurred photos, to be sure, but they were still female. The owner of the paper was warned, but he persisted in his immoral ways.

Now this is all good and well as it should be. However, the problem still remains. We can't avoid talking about it for much longer. It's a serious issue that we need to face as a community.

There are females all around us. Everywhere.  In stores, in the street, in hospital lobbies. In grocery check -out lines and in the elevators and in my neighbor's home.  Moreover, these females are not blurred, if you've noticed. In fact, they are high-definition females. You can almost touch them, that's how real they look (not that I recommend touching them). Maybe they are 3-D even. 

Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just telling it like it is.

Whose fault is all this? Yep, you know. It's difficult to admit, but you've known the answer all along.  You know in your heart, down deep inside, whose fault this all is. It is the Lord's fault. He has gone and made those women. And He had plenty of reminders and plenty of chances to correct His errors. Despite how patient we have all been, there are still females everywhere around us. In fact, new ones are made every day, I would guess.  Enough is enough, I say.  This must come to an end.

We must ban God. Sure, He's done some good things here and there, random acts of kindness and all that. But we need to stand up and fight for what we believe in, for what the Torah requires of us. We must eradicate the evil from our midst. It will be difficult, but we must ban the insolent Lord who keeps causing females to appear over and over again, despite our repeated requests. There may be some negative consequences to this kol korei, but that's never stopped us before. We know the truth and we are willing to do whatever it takes to get our message across.

No more God, no more prayers, no more offerings, no more fasting, no more Mr. Nice Orthodox Jews. Not until He agrees to repent and eliminate all females from our surroundings. Or at the very least, make them blurry.


Tags: bans, rabbis, tznius, women

09:45 pm: Depressing, feel free to skip

Brain cancer, like most other tragedies,  is caused by a lack of modesty, apparently. 

Whaddaya know.
And yet, she writes that "Hashem is all goodness" and so on.  People are still passing this letter around.

If you really believe in a deity who kills young women for being pretty and wearing make-up, how do you convince yourself that the deity is all goodness?

It is possible to understand her, she is on the verge of death and trying to find some meaning for herself or some legacy to leave behind for others.

But what about the people who pass this letter along and post it when they get a chance? Do they really think a good and kind God gives people tumors for wearing tight shirts or whatever horrible sin this teenager supposedly committed?

Edited: If you cannot see the letter, I am posting it under the cut

 

( My Dear Sisters )

Tags: theology, tznius, women

09:29 pm: Personal In-Home Mashgiach- the Answer to All Our Problems.

Dear Chareidi Rabbonim,

I wanted to tell you how much I approve of your recent Modest Hotels campaign. Hotels under your authorization, from what I gather, will have to hide their televisions and internet modems. Only married persons will have access to the internet and if someone claims that they are allowed to watch television and his "looks prove this," a rabbi will be consulted for a special dispensation. There are other rules, but I think this is a great start. 

However, this is only a first step. I am sure, Honorable Rabbonim, that you are aware that tragically,  some frum people watch televisions not only in hotels, but also IN THEIR HOMES. Some frum people even have pre-marital or extra-marital internet access, challilah. People, women mostly (of course), even talk loshon horah on the phone, in their homes, their bayis neeman b'yisroel. I won't go on, but you can surely imagine the terrible aveiros people do in the privacy of their own homes.

 These horrible situations are surely responsible for all the tzaros of klal yisroel and more efforts are surely needed to rectify the problem. I suggest that " The Committee for the Character of the Jewish People" send out individual rabbonim and rebbetzins to provide hashgacha on our homes. Here are some services that these personal-care rabbonim could provide for klal yisroel:

* Listening to phone conversations to make sure no loshon hora or nivul peh is being spoken.

* Removing inappropriate magazines which may have pictures of females or articles written from an anti-Torah perspective (even worse) directly from the mailbox so these impurities do not even enter our homes.

*Updating us on the most effective chinuch strategies to use with our precious kinderlach.

* Accompanying the Eishes Chayil of the household on her shopping trips to assure the kashrus of the products she buys AND the conversations she has.

* Accompanying the Baal Habayis to his nightly shiur and mincha/maariv, to ensure that he is not really going to a Biker- Babe Bar instead.

* Alerting the household when a chillul shabbos is about to occur, such as when a child wishes to blow bubbles or play with Legos.

* Monitoring bedroom activities for compliance with the shulchan aruch's directives.

* Cleaning out closets of any clothing which may be too tight, too loose, too colorful or not colorful enough for a bas yisroel and ben torah.

* Assuring that all nightgowns and tichels are worn at all times and cover the targeted areas fully, according to Rabbi Falk's guidance.

*Checking to make sure no secular conversations or, challilah, kefirah is heard. Kefir is okay, but only if it is cholov yisroel.

Anyway, I think that an in-home personal mashgiach would do wonders for our community and would surely bring Moshiach b'meheira b'yomeinu.  Or at least Michael Jackson.

Hattip : Wolfman

Tags: rabbis, tznius

02:50 am: Mamzerim and On Ben Peles

So, when I used to ask the typical question about mamzerim (not fair, why should child be punished for the sins of the parent, etc.), I would most often get a response along the lines of "it's not a punishment, just a spiritual consequence, like a mother who is on crack giving birth to a less than functional child. It's not the child's fault, it's just an unfortunate consequence of the mother's selfish actions."  Here's a similar version for your review.

Then I would counter with how the laws of nature ( take crack- get addicted baby; drink booze- get fetal alcohol baby) are not comparable to spiritual concepts because spiritual laws are more easily suspendable. Whomever I was talking with at the time would typically deny this and insist that spiritual laws are just as rock solid as the law of gravity and so on. God's not going to change them just for your special circumstances. If a piano is about to fall on a passerby, fall it will, no matter how sorry he is about this sad fact. If a married woman conceives a child by another man, it is a bastard, no matter how sorry she is. End of story.

So bearing all that in mind, how do you explain On Ben Peles and his immodest wife?  

Look, she didn't want him to sin. I got that.
But she sat down in front of her house and removed her designer custom sheitel and pursed her lips seductively and was so immodest that no man would dare walk by. She revealed her "erva" to everyone! The kelippos were released from her hair and they flew into the atmosphere. By all accounts, if spiritual laws are not suspendable in the same way gravity laws are not suspendable, On Ben Peles should have died immediately from the tumah surrounding his home.

In current terms, it would be like me setting up a brothel in our front yard because I didn't want my husband going out with his Off The Derech friends.

And yet, On Ben Peles's wife saves her husband and is forever praised in divrei torah all around the world. She is the quintessential Jewish woman, the one who "built her house with wisdom." 

Okay, then. So let's pretend that Hashem miraculously suspends all the klippos and bad stuff and uncovering her erva only leads to good things forever and ever.  Because she had the best, most honorable intentions, she therefore can't be punished for her sin.

So why are the spiritual laws so inflexible for mamzerim again? Why can't they be suspended if the situation warrants it? Why are children punished for the behaviors of their parents?  See the contradiction?

When answering my question, please keep in mind that a product of a rape is also a mamzer, it's not just consensual affairs. 

 I recently read some sort of tragic shailah from the Holocaust in which a woman thought her husband was killed and the rav gave her permission to marry and she had children and many years later... yep, the first husband was not killed and yep, all the kids were mamzerim.

Tags: kabbalah fluff, mamzer, parshah, tznius, women

12:18 am: Attention All Provocative Ladies !

Listen up Provocative Ladies of Iran, Saudia Arabia, Afghanistan and Lakewood, NJ !

We don't want to see your knees anymore. Not even if we are looking up your skirt from the back.

If you continue to dress in such a depraved manner, we will be forced to express our lust by giving notes to your children about the way you dress. You should thank us for helping you see the error of your ways.

Love Always,

The Men of Iran, Saudia Arabia, Afghanistan and Lakewood, NJ.

P.S.  Here are some more of our thoughtful and sincere comments :

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Tags: sad and funny at the same time, tznius, women

10:33 pm: Do Your Part!

Here's a list of the tznius hachlatos that have been taken on by women who are hoping that the yeshiva boys in Japan will be released or given a light sentence. I am happy to say I am doing my part; the items in bold are ones I will plan to be extra-careful about.

Since we have started this Tznius campaign we have seen incredible siyata dishmaya in easing the plight of the prisoners somewhat. Let the merit of your kabalah give rise to the ultimate release of our children, and may the collective zechus of Tznius improvement,
result in the geulah shleima for all of Klal Yisroel, amen.

♦ Sheitel is refined [within parameters of halacha] and does not attract
attention.
♦ Refrain from wearing excessive make-up and perfume in
any public areas.
♦ Refrain from wearing attractive or excessive jewelry in
any public areas
♦ Refrain from brisk-walking as a form of exercise.
♦ Refrain from eating/drinking in public areas, especially
where men are present.
♦ Skirt is at least four inches past the knee.
♦ Neckline properly adjusted in all clothing.
♦ Turban/tichel covering all hair at all times during the day.
♦ Secular newspapers and all fashion magazines kept out of
the house.
♦ When in public, [street, stores, buses, waiting rooms,] Cell phones
vibrate silently and phone conversations are kept short and
quiet [out of earshot of bystanders]
♦ Shoes/heels/ fitted with a rubber sole.
♦ Exercising discreet and low-key behavior in a shared sitting area.
[apartment building lobby, doctor’s office, chasuna hall, shul mechitzah, bus stops, standing in line at
checkout counters etc.
♦ Learning Hilchos Tznius daily. [Inspire by Wire – 718-906-6451, or ' עוז והדר לבושה ' according to the daily
calendar provided free of charge by: Bnos Melochim 845-425-9222]
♦ Refrain from brisk-walking in a public area.
Your undertaking will provide us with the strength and stamina we so desperately need at this time.
We cannot adequately express our appreciation to all who are accepting upon themselves to enhance
their current Tznius standards so that our children can have hope to see the light of freedom again.

I'm quite good about not brisk-walking in public. Everything else, not so much I guess. How about you? Which tznius resolutions are you taking upon yourself? Will you keep all secular newspaper and fashion magazines out of your home? Or will you make sure all your conversations in public are short and quiet? Maybe not eat/drink in public areas when men are present? I especially like that one.

Tags: collive, crazy, tznius

09:47 am: Inspiring Medusa Tale
 I hope this story inspires you to greater heights in modesty. From here.


In a town lived a woman that was married but did not cover her hair. The Rav of the town rebuked her a few times but she paid no heed, saying "I was given beautiful curly hair and unwilling to cover it". When she passed away, the Chevre Kaddishe placed her body in the ground but one of them accidentally dropped his wallet inside. Inside the wallet was money and important papers. That evening, when he noticed his wallet was missing, he remembered that while bending down to bury the woman, the wallet fell inside the grave. He went to the Rav of the town, HaRav HaGaon Aryeh de-ve Ilai, zs'l, to receive permission to reopen the grave. The Rav answered that in this case he gives permission but on one condition; that all the town residents and the bet din must be present. The following morning, all the town's Jews gathered at the grave and were witnesses to this unique happening. The Rav and the bet din also arrived and the grand Rav gave the permission to open the grave and the missing wallet was found right away. Suddenly, weird noises were heard coming from the burial ground. Inside the hole of the burial they saw the scariest view ever seen before: The hairs of the dead woman were torn off and stuffed inside her mouth so that her mouth was completely blocked. Her skull was bald, covered by thousands of worms and set in a way the woman used to set her hair when she was alive. The town's Rav seeing this revealed miracle, woke up the residents to do Teshuva and said: This incident is directly from HaShem. It is no coincidence that the wallet fell inside the burial of the immodest woman. HaShem is showing us how severe it is for a woman to reveal her hair and use it as a weapon for beauty. The whole town was greatly influenced to see the judgment of this woman and how the judgment is measure for measure.



Tags: tznius

01:07 pm: Okay, Do You Believe Me Now?

I know people didn't believe me about the Craiglist's ads asking for frum men for orgies.

Well, here's Shaindy.com, a very specific website catering to "mostly frum married couples, who are looking for some excitement outside of their marriage. Some play solo, some play as a couple!" The site has 760 members whose profiles you can browse without registering. A nice chunk of these self-identify as chassidim.

Now listen up all you Rabbis and Mishmeret Hatznius People and Nosy Busybodies. Listen and listen well.

*I don't want to hear anything about  how my yiras shomayim  depends on when and where I choose to wear pants.

*I don't want to hear anything about  how the kashrus of my home depends on when and where I choose to cover my hair.

*I don't want to hear anything about why I shouldn't wear a bathing suit to the beach.

*I don't want to hear about how my preschool girls should be wearing long sleeves and tights in the summer.

*I am not interested in your drashos on kol isha, shmiras einayim or kol kevuda bas melech penima.

*I couldn't care less as to why you think women shouldn't be rabbis or cantors or lein from the Torah because it is so immodest.

*I don't give a crap whether you think I shouldn't have Newsweek or Time in my home because there may be an advertisement which features a non-tznius-dressed lady.

I don't want to hear about anything related even tangentially to tznius laws  until you all face up to the bigger problems in the frum community and deal with them.  All you judgmental people need to stop looking at my slits and necklines and elbows because your idiocy is beyond painful. After you fix the bigger issues, like say,  the growing market for extramarital services for the frum couple, then you can worry about  whether my pantyhose is thick enough. Until then, stick it where the sun don't shine.

Thank you.


P.S. Daas Hedyot asked me to mention his new series in which he introduces you to normal and sane people who have successful lives after leaving Orthodoxy. Can't imagine why anyone would want to leave orthodoxy, though. 
 
P.P.S- the site keeps getting hacked into, try again in a few days if you can't access it now.

Tags: crazy, hypocrisy, tznius, why i wear jeans

02:19 pm: Short Little Post: Total Disconnect.

Let's talk about total disconnect. 

Compare this and this.

I really hope that the frum ladies hosting these orgies are being careful to cover their hair with a sheitel and not, G-d Forbid, a snood or a hat.

Tags: ha-ha, hypocrisy, tznius, women

08:55 pm: Where Will I Meet My Lovers Now?

As I'm sure you have already heard, some grocery stores in Israel are making separate entrances for women and men, in an effort to prevent situations where opposite genders might unintentionally touch each other.

I don't know what you are thinking, but me, I'm really worried that this hashakafa may spill over into our American communities.
 
And then what will I do? How will I carry on my romantic trysts? Think about it.  Oy Vay.

Gone will be the days of  "accidental" brushing of the hands as we both reach for the same carton of juice. No more electric, passionate glances over the tomatoes or shared laughs in the dairy department. No more furtive caresses in the checkout line or stolen kisses by the frozen vegetables. Alas, the days of quickies with total strangers in the employee break room are coming to an end, I fear. 


Gosh,  I hope my husband doesn't read this post. He'll never let me go shopping again, Im Yirtzeh Hashem, Kein Yechi Ratzon, Ad Meah V'esrim.

Tags: crazy, fornication, israel, tznius, women

06:49 pm: I can't make this stuff up, people...

Which post is more disturbing?

This one:

...just for the record, a few years ago I was driving and I almost crashed because I was driving with my eyes closed, only because I tried to avoid seeing a couple of young women who were very poorly dressed... The other guys in the car called me a fanatic. I don't consider myself as to being someone with a HUGE Yetzer Horah, but let me tell you - any woman who thinks she can dress down and not take responsibility for the men that get affected by it R"L - is dillusional!

From Here.

Or this one:

The Rabbi said that one of three things will happen with me and B. Either B will fully convert to Judiasm, or we will break up, or B will die within a year. Let me repeat that. A big fancy Rabbi in Israel told my little brother that unless his big sister's fiance converts or breaks up with his sister, his sister's fiance will die within a year.

From here.

Tags: crazy, rabbis, tznius

12:03 am: For Frum Ladies Only.

Look people. I have three finals in the next two weeks. So I can't write a lot just now.

But I did want to take a moment out of my busy evening to let you frum ladies know that even if you wear long skirts, you are probably still going to hell if they are made out of denim. There are very few things as shameful and distressing as the sight of a bas yisroel dressed in a long denim skirt. Where is your self-respect?  



Tags: chabad, crazy, sad and funny at the same time, tznius

11:41 pm: Ooh, let's ban immodest bicyclists.

This post is dedicated to all my good friends who think that what you wear or what you eat is a good indicator of yiras shomayim.


So here is one story about some problems some Chassidim are having.

And here is another story about some problems some Chassidim are having.


Yes, as you might guess, I have my own theories on how these two stories are connected. But go ahead, I am open to hearing what you think. Do you really believe that these stories are completely coincidental? If not, how would you describe the relationship between the two situations? 

 


Tags: double standard, hypocrisy, tznius, why i wear jeans

10:11 am: I wore jeans outside for the first time today. A bit weird wearing them with a sheitel. But I am happy to let you know that God has not struck me down as of 10:13 this morning. Maybe He or She is busy playing with the stock market.

Tags: tznius

10:13 am: Stay Ahead of the Curve

 Part of the orthodox lifestyle is this great game, called "Frummer Than Everyone Else in Shul." 

This is a fun and enjoyable activity. You and your family choose something extra to take on in frumkeit to outdo your neighbors. Then they follow your example and also take on another chumra. The ball's back in your court! The one who dies with the most restrictions, wins! 

I know that some of you readers are a bit stumped as to what to do next. Should I fast an extra hour? Should I pretend moshiach already came and not fast at all? Should I have another child even though I can't afford tuna fish for supper for my kids? Should I insist on only a certain brand of meat that has been supervised by lubavitcher shochtim? Should I buy 212 cholov yisroel instead of plain CY? Should I make my three year old wear tights in the summer heat? How about when she is two? Maybe we should insist on tznius clothes for all the Barbie dolls? Should I get undressed under my bedcovers so the walls of my room don't see my immodesty?

I know, I know what you are thinking. All of this has been done before. What new, creative chumra can I think of that is approved by rabbonim and will earn me jealous looks for my future olam habah? 

Well, lucky reader, I am here to help you stay ahead of the curve! Thank God, shawls are not just for rabbanit Keren anymore. The use of shawls for ladies has been approved by chassidishe rabbonim and in fact, these gedolim are encouraging women to wear coats on top of their tznius outfits when going out in the street so as to embrace them in modesty! Read for yourself below or see the original. 

 

 

Regarding Ultimate Coats, Rabbi Shraga Feivish Hager, Kosover Rebbe in Boro Park, writes that he has been troubled for years that when Jewish daughters go to smachos they are dressed in their finest Shabbos and Yom Tov outfits. Of course, they are going to a mitzvah in making their friend happy, especially kallos at their weddings. Nevertheless they are going through the streets or on the Boro Park/ Williamsburg bus, etc., where there are married men and bochurim. He has long been searching for a solution. Thank Heaven, the Kosover Rebbe writes, that righteous women have come up with an answer. A nice thin overcoat that will guard them well. Though it may be hot in warm weather, it is a good thing, he says. Rabbi Getzel Elyakim Berkowitz, Kiryas Yoel Dayan, in a letter written last year, also praises the new garment for street wear, especially when going to smachos.  

Maybe, chas ve shalom, you think that this rule only applies to followers of these groups. Well, that is why I am writing this for your reading pleasure.  Mark my word- very soon, every frum woman will have a special coat to wear in the summer over her regular clothing, so the shape of her body will not be seen. Overcoats are going to be the next hottest thing in tznius! No pun intended.  Buy one now before your neighbor gets one! And if you are a man, remember: you are king of your castle! You set the standards in your home! You must insist that your wife wear a coat when in the street, regardless of the temperature. Be the first one on your block! Order now! Get your reward later! In Olam Habah!

Tags: rabbis, tznius, women

08:59 pm: Women in Judaism, Again, Sorry.

A woman sees a stain on her bedika cloth. She knows from past experience that this color is fine. She does not need to ask a rav. She simply continues her count. She needs to ask no shailah, despite the fact that she is essentially paskening for herself and she is nogeah badavar, a biased party.

This scenario is common and this course of action is accepted in all frum circles, even the most chareidi among us. 

So here is my question. If women can be trusted to pasken for themselves based on prior experience and knowledge, why can't they pasken for others or even for themselves in other areas? Many piskei halacha are just that, deciding something by comparing it to prior experiences and knowledge. Is this chicken kosher? Is this type of birth control permissible? Is this action allowed on shabbos? Rabbis don't have any special magical powers. They just look in a book and recall their experiences, like everyone else.

I know that there is an institute in which women are training in hilchos niddah in Israel.  From what I understand, it is considered very modern and many groups do not allow women to get their answers through them. Also, as far as I know, there is no such group in America. 

In any case, my question still stands. If women are too stupid to pasken for others, they certainly should not pasken for themselves and every stain needs to be brought to the rav, regardless of how he paskened last time on the very same question. If they are intelligent enough to pasken for themselves, why can't they do so for others?  If the problem is that women should not take a public role, that is also difficult to defend in this day and age. Some of those women who are prohibited from taking public roles as rabbis, end up as public speakers, doctors, lawyers, ceos, shluchim, principals, school directors and so on.

Tags: hashkafa, rabbis, tznius, women

02:08 pm: Select Quotes for Your Reading Pleasure

From Imamoron:

There was a girl that was niftar in bklyn. She came to her friend in her dream and told her that she is in gan eden but not her legs bec. they were never covered the right way. I don't know if this is a true story or not but there is a lesson learnt. I always make sure that I cannot see the little stuff on my legs through my panty hose. 

                                                       *********

A tzaddik saw what was happening up in hell, and once he heard a woman screaming. Then he saw that malachim were taking certain clothes out of a big vat of boiling water, and putting it onto a woman who hadn't dressed with tznius when she was alive. Whichever part of her body wasn't covered properly while she was alive was now covered in boiling hot clothes. 
 



Tags: imamother, tznius