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12:24 am: You thought it couldn't get any worse...

After reading these three  Naarah Besulah chapters, it is very clear that rape was completely a civil matter back in the days of the Rambam and the only thing wrong was that the girl's virginity value was decreased. The punishment, therefore, for rape was a set of fines, payable to the girl's dad, of course, and forced marriage to the victim, if she and her father consent.

The possible fines included one for payment for virginal sex, one for embarrassment, one for damages and one for pain. 

  You can read these chapters yourself (1, 2, 3) , but here are some highlights:

• A rapist was not obligated to pay any fines unless there were witnesses to the act. Even his own admission does not render him liable.
• A rapist was not obligated to pay the virginal sex fine for anal rape.
• A rapist was not obligated to pay the virginal sex fine for any female over 12.5 or under 3.
• Embarrassment damages were not uniform. They were calculated according to the family's status. A poor, girl from a simple family was given less than a girl from "known lineage."
• Damages were given according to the girl's beauty, as assessed by the difference in her virginal and non-virginal value on a slave market.
• A man who rapes a mentally retarded girl or one who is deaf-mute, does not pay any of these fines for embarrasment or damages or virginal sex. All he pays is a fine for pain. If he will swear that she consented ( yes, the mentally retarded 3-to-12 year old), he can skip the pain fee also and is called a seducer and not a rapist, and has NO CONSEQUENCES at all.
• If the girl has a bad reputation or was pimped out by her father, the rapist also incurs no fines.

So. If you're still reading, here are my two questions.

1. If  I am a frum Jew living in 2009 and I know that this is the Jewish attitude towards rape, why on earth would I report a rapist or child molester to secular authorities ? Why would I do that when this is clearly seen as a financial issue, not a criminal one?

2. Why does chabad.org keep translating these rambams and posting them online? Shouldn't somebody give them a kick in the pants? Shouldn't they at least come up with a touchy-feely kabbalah-fluff explanation and post it online too?


I wonder if the women who author articles like this one for chabad.org know about these laws. The incongruence is too much.

Tags: halacha, rabbis, women

11:41 am: Is Halacha for Crazy People?

In a very sad event last week, a young daughter of a shliach in Israel was tragically killed in a school-bus accident. The whole story was horrible.

At the shiva, the little girl's grandmother, the famous Miriam Swerdlov, spoke about taking the good with the bad and mi k'amcha yisrael and so on. She also sang a song with the women at the shiva, one of the tunes that reflected the idea of the Jewish people never forsaking Hashem no matter what evils befall them.

Her speech was recorded. The blog that posted the video on youtube initially deleted the singing segment. Later it posted the full version and warned that it contains KOL ISHA and is intended FOR WOMEN ONLY PLEASE.

Kol Isha is a halacha in which men are not allowed to hear women singing so that they should not get aroused and come to sin.

Okay, now I acknowledge that it is possible that there is a man out there who could be aroused by a 60 year old woman singing a niggun with a bunch of other women at her three-year-old granddaugher's shiva. Anything is possible.

But if halacha is going to cater to that, if halacha is going to take those people into account, why doesn't it consider the man who is turned on by the very sight of any woman in the first place? Why doesn't it take into account the man who might be aroused at the sound of male singing? Surely there are more men aroused by male singing or even conversation, say in shul,  than would be aroused by Miriam Swerdlov humming a tune at a shiva house. No?

I know, I know. Some people are going to start talking about boundaries and slippery slopes and how halacha has to have fixed parameters. Because if we allow men to hear this, then maybe we should let men hear women singing at a farbrengen or at shul. And from there, I guess,  it is a quick and direct path to permitting all female rock bands and wet t-shirt contests and mud wrestling.

Really, though? Is that answer enough for you? Is the slope really that slippery? Halacha doesn't have any mechanisms to permit some forms of kol isha but not others? I doubt that. So what's the deal here? How difficult would it really be for rabbonim to matir women's singing if it is in a religious context?
 

 

Tags: halacha, rabbis, tznius, women

02:40 am: Yom Tov

Simchas Torah was okay. Here are the recaps.

The good part: When two ladies and I sneaked a bottle of Skyy from the community meal and did our own version of hakafos in the main shul, dancing around the bima and singing old camp songs. It was a little glimpse of what things could have been like, had I been born with the right body parts.

The bad part: When the crazy uptight rabbi came to yell at us for being in the (empty) men's section and interferring with his shul experience.

The depressing part: Trying to dance with the ladies in the ladies' section and watching women tell off their teenage daughters for singing niggunim out loud. Because chas ve shalom, the men should hear them and violate kol isha.

Then we all had to sing in a whisper. Not kidding.  



Tags: rabbis, shul, women

11:48 am: Following Authority

If it is Da’at Torah to hurl cinder blocks at human beings, then we want to see a clear halachic ruling on the matter from one of the great rulers, and then we too shall act likewise. In the meantime we will warn against it. - Rabbi Moshe Grylak

 
Okay, so according to FM, an immodestly dressed girl is assaulted with a cinder block. Some rabbis, including Rabbi Moshe Grylak, condemn this atrocity and they receive high praise.  Woo-hoo. Nice. 

Does Rabbi Moshe actually think that there is no halachic ruling on the matter from a great ruler? What is a great ruler, assuming it's not one of those pink plastic things that I buy each September from Walmart? And if we had a clear halachic ruling on the matter from one of these rulers,  would we really act likewise? Or is this just a manner of speaking and any ruler who authorizes this is automatically not  "one of the great" ones?  Anyone remember those rambams that authorize murdering apikorsim and beating women?

What about you personally?  What sort of authority would have to sanction hurling cinder-blocks at young untznius girls in order for you do so?

And what's with the "warning against it" language? Are we "warned against" intermarriage? Are we "warned against" eating pork? Or is it drilled into our heads from the day we are born until the day we die? But hurling cinder blocks at people- that gets a warning. 

Tags: rabbis, tznius, women

10:34 am: Let's Play My Favorite Game.


Which one is more crazy?

Door Number One:  Fun is goyishe so don't ask me if I like to have fun. From here.

Door Number Two:  Going to Walmart is a huge sexual nisyaon for me so please don't ask me to do your shopping. From here.

Door Number Three: Shaindy.com, the primier Orthodox cheating site, is now posting sex stories featuring incest and people named Moishe Shmiel, Hershy and Blimi. From here, but I wouldn't click on this at work. Or when you're eating. They are also looking for a Yiddish-speaking secretary. I'm guessing her name is going to have to be Blimi.

Door Number Four: The people involved in the Syrian money-laundering scam were just fulfilling veahavta lereacha kamocha. A true friend will help you bury the bodies. From here.


Vote! Vote! Vote!




Tags: crazy, hypocrisy, tznius, women

02:14 am: No Thanks. Keep Your Titles.

So let me sum things up here. 

Some rabbonim allegedly were using frum terms to hide illegal money-laundering transactions and other frum people held impoverished immigrants at gun point for their kidneys.  Anti-Semites don't need to make up lies about Jews anymore, we're doing a great job of looking terrible all by ourselves. 
 
But the masses of frum followers are still singing the same old songs. Of course, it wasn't the rabbonim's fault. They were victims of the mosser, the evil informant, Solomon Dweck who tricked them. This entire chillul Hashem is Dweck's fault and everyone is very angry with him. He's chayav misa, apparently, and his family is sitting shiva for him. Oh, yeah and the FBI agents who planned this entrapment are also going to burn in hell. The biggest problem, of course, is not the money laundering or organ trafficking. No. The biggest problem is that, nebach, some gemachs and yeshivos will now have a harder time soliciting donations and keeping them safe from the government's nosy spies. 

And in other news,  Rabbi Michael Broyde is calling for greater training for Orthodox female clergy. Of course, he is very quick to point out that this does not mean trained women should be called rabbi for many reasons. For example, we have long-standing traditions that reserve formal authority to males. So women should be called something else, like clergy.

Well, you know what, Rabbi Broyde? It's okay. You can keep your title. I'd rather not be called a rabbi anytime soon. It's not as much of an honor as you'd like to think.

Tags: crazy, criminals, rabbis, women

07:43 pm: A Letter to the Lord

Dear God,

It's me, OnionSoupMix.

Lord, I am so very angry with you today. So very angry. 

I came across a crazy blog written by this Anti-Feminist Rebbetzin. OMG, women from all over the world write her letters asking  for advice. They ask her about whether they should go to college a Liberal Wasteland and become  productive immoral citizens or marry their beloved and spend their days worshipping the ground he walks on. They ask about how to repair their marriages if they have not been subservient enough in the past.

Oh yeah. Did I mention that SHE'S ALL OF 24 YEARS OLD AND MARRIED FOR ONE YEAR WITH ONE CHILD???  Did I miss that part?

And me, Lord? What about me? I am older and have more experience than she does. And NO ONE writes me advice letters. No one asks Oh, OnionSoupMix, should I embrace atheism and immediately become a drug-addicted sex maniac or should I remain loyal to the faith of my ancestors and live a holy, chosen and pure life?   No one asks me whether they should eat a ham sandwich on Yom Kippur or concentrate on the coming of Moshiach during Neilah. No one even wants to know whether it's better to pray for your shidduch during a solar eclipse or Bircas Hachamah, frankly.

Why not? Why isn't anyone asking for my advice, oh Lord? Is it because of my sinful, wicked ways? Is it because of my avatar which shows my face? Is it because the name of my blog does not inspire confidence and ladylike grace? Is it because I am a feminist? Why? Why? Why hast thou forsaken me?

Hattip: pester . Although it's not really a hat-tip, it's more like an ass-kick because I wasted three hours of my life reading that drivel.

Tags: ha-ha, women

12:54 am: The Source of the Problem

Okay, from what I understand of this article, the owner of a newspaper is suing a group of rabbis for banning his newspaper  and libeling it as "unsuitable" for Hareidim.  Why was it unsuitable for Hareidim? Well, it displayed photos of females. Blurred photos, to be sure, but they were still female. The owner of the paper was warned, but he persisted in his immoral ways.

Now this is all good and well as it should be. However, the problem still remains. We can't avoid talking about it for much longer. It's a serious issue that we need to face as a community.

There are females all around us. Everywhere.  In stores, in the street, in hospital lobbies. In grocery check -out lines and in the elevators and in my neighbor's home.  Moreover, these females are not blurred, if you've noticed. In fact, they are high-definition females. You can almost touch them, that's how real they look (not that I recommend touching them). Maybe they are 3-D even. 

Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just telling it like it is.

Whose fault is all this? Yep, you know. It's difficult to admit, but you've known the answer all along.  You know in your heart, down deep inside, whose fault this all is. It is the Lord's fault. He has gone and made those women. And He had plenty of reminders and plenty of chances to correct His errors. Despite how patient we have all been, there are still females everywhere around us. In fact, new ones are made every day, I would guess.  Enough is enough, I say.  This must come to an end.

We must ban God. Sure, He's done some good things here and there, random acts of kindness and all that. But we need to stand up and fight for what we believe in, for what the Torah requires of us. We must eradicate the evil from our midst. It will be difficult, but we must ban the insolent Lord who keeps causing females to appear over and over again, despite our repeated requests. There may be some negative consequences to this kol korei, but that's never stopped us before. We know the truth and we are willing to do whatever it takes to get our message across.

No more God, no more prayers, no more offerings, no more fasting, no more Mr. Nice Orthodox Jews. Not until He agrees to repent and eliminate all females from our surroundings. Or at the very least, make them blurry.


Tags: bans, rabbis, tznius, women

09:45 pm: Depressing, feel free to skip

Brain cancer, like most other tragedies,  is caused by a lack of modesty, apparently. 

Whaddaya know.
And yet, she writes that "Hashem is all goodness" and so on.  People are still passing this letter around.

If you really believe in a deity who kills young women for being pretty and wearing make-up, how do you convince yourself that the deity is all goodness?

It is possible to understand her, she is on the verge of death and trying to find some meaning for herself or some legacy to leave behind for others.

But what about the people who pass this letter along and post it when they get a chance? Do they really think a good and kind God gives people tumors for wearing tight shirts or whatever horrible sin this teenager supposedly committed?

Edited: If you cannot see the letter, I am posting it under the cut

 

( My Dear Sisters )

Tags: theology, tznius, women

02:50 am: Mamzerim and On Ben Peles

So, when I used to ask the typical question about mamzerim (not fair, why should child be punished for the sins of the parent, etc.), I would most often get a response along the lines of "it's not a punishment, just a spiritual consequence, like a mother who is on crack giving birth to a less than functional child. It's not the child's fault, it's just an unfortunate consequence of the mother's selfish actions."  Here's a similar version for your review.

Then I would counter with how the laws of nature ( take crack- get addicted baby; drink booze- get fetal alcohol baby) are not comparable to spiritual concepts because spiritual laws are more easily suspendable. Whomever I was talking with at the time would typically deny this and insist that spiritual laws are just as rock solid as the law of gravity and so on. God's not going to change them just for your special circumstances. If a piano is about to fall on a passerby, fall it will, no matter how sorry he is about this sad fact. If a married woman conceives a child by another man, it is a bastard, no matter how sorry she is. End of story.

So bearing all that in mind, how do you explain On Ben Peles and his immodest wife?  

Look, she didn't want him to sin. I got that.
But she sat down in front of her house and removed her designer custom sheitel and pursed her lips seductively and was so immodest that no man would dare walk by. She revealed her "erva" to everyone! The kelippos were released from her hair and they flew into the atmosphere. By all accounts, if spiritual laws are not suspendable in the same way gravity laws are not suspendable, On Ben Peles should have died immediately from the tumah surrounding his home.

In current terms, it would be like me setting up a brothel in our front yard because I didn't want my husband going out with his Off The Derech friends.

And yet, On Ben Peles's wife saves her husband and is forever praised in divrei torah all around the world. She is the quintessential Jewish woman, the one who "built her house with wisdom." 

Okay, then. So let's pretend that Hashem miraculously suspends all the klippos and bad stuff and uncovering her erva only leads to good things forever and ever.  Because she had the best, most honorable intentions, she therefore can't be punished for her sin.

So why are the spiritual laws so inflexible for mamzerim again? Why can't they be suspended if the situation warrants it? Why are children punished for the behaviors of their parents?  See the contradiction?

When answering my question, please keep in mind that a product of a rape is also a mamzer, it's not just consensual affairs. 

 I recently read some sort of tragic shailah from the Holocaust in which a woman thought her husband was killed and the rav gave her permission to marry and she had children and many years later... yep, the first husband was not killed and yep, all the kids were mamzerim.

Tags: kabbalah fluff, mamzer, parshah, tznius, women

03:10 am: Just a Bit Ironic

The honorable judge Sylvia O. Hinds-Radix ordering the hearing on the Crown Heights Community Council Elections is  female.

Females are not allowed to vote in these elections. Even though the 19th amendment was ratified almost  90 years ago.

More on this here.

Tags: chabad, crown heights, women

12:18 am: Attention All Provocative Ladies !

Listen up Provocative Ladies of Iran, Saudia Arabia, Afghanistan and Lakewood, NJ !

We don't want to see your knees anymore. Not even if we are looking up your skirt from the back.

If you continue to dress in such a depraved manner, we will be forced to express our lust by giving notes to your children about the way you dress. You should thank us for helping you see the error of your ways.

Love Always,

The Men of Iran, Saudia Arabia, Afghanistan and Lakewood, NJ.

P.S.  Here are some more of our thoughtful and sincere comments :

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Tags: sad and funny at the same time, tznius, women

09:44 am: Women's Empowerment, Part Two
In my previous post, mindycl wrote:

I'm just a little surprised that you even think women are empowered in judaism. we're second class citizens. were totally not empowered. Its not something I mind, I'm not a feminist. But your very premise puzzles me...I guess because I was raised in this man-centric culture and we women are taught to never be seen, never be heard, stay in the kitchen yada yada yada and I'm so used to it, that if I were to explore it and become resentful i'd be in a terrible place in my community, be looked down upon by dh and parents etc - it's usually the start of a rebellion which leads to going OTCD. It's just not something I thinkn about. This is how I was raised, I'm cool with it, and it's totally fine. I'm so not a feminist. I'm content with staying in the kitchen...
 
I want to talk about her post. It threw me for a loop because I'm so used to people insisting Judaism treats women equally. I think Mindy is a kind, sincere person who is doing everyone a favor by being honest about her culture. So, in constrast to my usual policy, I will have to delete insulting comments about her and her derech. But I want to discuss what she wrote. So here are the questions I'm interested in, please feel free to respond or add:

1. Do you think this view of women is limited just to that particular branch of Orthodoxy? Mindy belongs to a non-chabad chassidic group, maybe Satmar, I'm not sure. Do you think only her group sees women as second-class citizens? Or do you think this is actually a perspective held by most Orthodox adherents and some of them hide it better than others? Or do you think that Judaism is changing, but some groups specifically choose to hold on to the social norms of  the pre-feminist days? How does halacha figure into this? How are halachos which reflect negatively on women's roles adhered to or minimized or changed?

2. Do you think God could condone a hierarchial system like this? In other words, if there is a God and He created the world, do you think that He could have set up a system in which women are meant to be subservient? Or does God create all people as equals and  this is a man-made invention, something men of all religions did for their own self-serving interests? How do you see the curses in Bereishis, if you believe the text is Divine or Divinely-inspired? Is it just that God was describing how the world would be and that men would dominate women, but that can change with time or is an inherent, immutable part of the overall cosmic plan? How is this different than the hierarchy with regards to cohanim and leviim, which clearly seems to be endorsed by Judaism?

3. Do you think women can be truly happy and fulfilled in this sort of system? Do you think that most adherents of a group who are considered second-class citizens are just socially conditioned to adhere to the rules, not to rock the boat? Or do you think people can find real satisfaction from that kind of life? What about Untouchables in the Hindu caste system?

I personally think that the basic premises of Judaism is that women are second class citizens, because this was the social norm way back when halacha was codified. Most sects still follow that mode today, although some groups, like chabad, are very inventive in the explanations and rationales that they come up with. Some sections of Modern Orthodoxy openly reject some of these premises and have women's minyanim and so on, but they are considered fringe, a bit on the conservative side of things. I think God created people equal and all the hierarchies are man-made. But I think that people can convince themselves that God allows for these hierarchies because their social norms support that. So, in other words, if you have grown up in a culture which treats women as subservient and second-class, it's not difficult to believe that God set it up this way. What do you think?



Tags: hashkafa, women

09:21 pm: Empowered Women
Ask any frum woman, especially a chabad one, and she will tell you that a woman is everything. The home is where the heart is, the home is the center of Jewish life, the women establish the community.

Here's an interesting halacha story. In our new community, all of the shuls bring shabbos in early in the summer, at 7.  Sometimes this is difficult for us, my husband works all day and I'm in school, it's a little tight to say the least. But apparently, if your community brings in shabbos at 7, that's when shabbos starts for you and there are no exceptions. So a non-shabbos activity is just as forbidden at 7:01 as it would be the next morning.

This was somewhat inconvenient for us last year,  so this year when a small group of men decided to start a minyan later, at 8, my husband offered to participate. The first week they did not have enough men, so shabbos started at 7, as usual. The next week, they had 12 men and shabbos started at 8.

So how does this work? Whether I am allowed to turn the light off at 7:15  depends on whether Shmeryl Beryl decided to join the minyan finally? How do women establish a community again? If I were to find ten women, married or single, who wanted to start shabbos at 8 or 9, it would make no difference, shabbos would start at 7. But when Shmeryl finally gets around to letting the shul know he'll be happy to participate, ah, suddenly shabbos starts an hour later for me. When do I get to tell Shmeryl what time shabbos starts?

Tags: shabbos, women

07:14 pm: How to Trick God, Tip Number 4359

God is a bit of a doofus, from what I gather.

In the most recent copy of the Neshei Newsletter, a letter to the editor strongly urges all women to breastfeed for the purposes of spacing their children naturally. If you practice ecological breastfeeding, you can get that breather between babies as it was meant to be -from Hashem...It seems a little cruel to impress upon these young married girls the importance of not practicing (pharmaceutical) family planning, as the N'Shei Chabad Newsletter has done many times, and yet, give them no help whatsover in the natural way to do it.

It's good to know more strategies to trick our Clueless Creator. Apparently, He is not aware that the estrogen and progesterone in hormonal birth control are "natural" substances.  

In other words, our All-Knowing, All-Powerful Lord does not approve of women using birth control because that is interfering with His plans, but nursing your child specifically for the purpose of avoiding pregnancy is permitted. Moreover, this woman did not even suggest that we all run to ask our rav if this is allowed because it is so clearly permissible. But birth control pills? The kind that come in a little round pack?  For a Lubavitcher? Cha's ve Shalom, after all, the Rebbe has spoken so many times about the evils of family planning.

As an aside, I just wanted to let you know that I, personally, will be breastfeeding my children until they are 18. After that, I will be breastfeeding other people's children. Take a number.



Tags: birth control, chabad, neshei, women

02:19 pm: Short Little Post: Total Disconnect.

Let's talk about total disconnect. 

Compare this and this.

I really hope that the frum ladies hosting these orgies are being careful to cover their hair with a sheitel and not, G-d Forbid, a snood or a hat.

Tags: ha-ha, hypocrisy, tznius, women

08:55 pm: Where Will I Meet My Lovers Now?

As I'm sure you have already heard, some grocery stores in Israel are making separate entrances for women and men, in an effort to prevent situations where opposite genders might unintentionally touch each other.

I don't know what you are thinking, but me, I'm really worried that this hashakafa may spill over into our American communities.
 
And then what will I do? How will I carry on my romantic trysts? Think about it.  Oy Vay.

Gone will be the days of  "accidental" brushing of the hands as we both reach for the same carton of juice. No more electric, passionate glances over the tomatoes or shared laughs in the dairy department. No more furtive caresses in the checkout line or stolen kisses by the frozen vegetables. Alas, the days of quickies with total strangers in the employee break room are coming to an end, I fear. 


Gosh,  I hope my husband doesn't read this post. He'll never let me go shopping again, Im Yirtzeh Hashem, Kein Yechi Ratzon, Ad Meah V'esrim.

Tags: crazy, fornication, israel, tznius, women

03:07 am: For All the Post-Modern Feminists Here...

From Here:

I have never understood why girls over the age of 13 or so should be at school on Fridays. The message it sends is that learning is more important for women than homemaking, and that Shabbos can be thrown together on Thursday night or Friday afternoon. Oh, and if you find that difficult, we'll give you tons of advice on how to "manage your time" by cooking for Shabbos or Yom Tov six weeks early. How about "managing our time" by simply doing -- and teaching our daughters to do -- what women are supposed to, namely caring for our homes and families?

Lady, I don't understand why you bother to send your daughters to school at all. If homemaking is more important than learning, surely the best place to receive a solid education in homemaking would be... at home.

Tags: chinuch, imamother, women

01:06 am: Conservadoxy

With several notable exceptions,  Orthodox Jewish law has been frozen for the past 1600 years.

There is no Sanhedrin and no governing body and no one leader can take it upon himself to authorize important and needed changes. Instead, we all just cling to traditions passed down over the centuries and convice ourselves that this is authentic Judaism, this is Ratzon Hashem, because it is what survived and it is what makes us stand out. And then we teach this to our children who will in turn pass it on to their offspring. Presumably this whole situation is because our leaders today are so humble and modest. Two thousand years ago, Hashem's presence could rest upon 71 rabbis and they could decide the law and interpret the texts. Now, all our leaders are not worthy and God doesn't impart His will to anyone and we are all just stuck with whatever the last 71 rabbis decided was the correct interpretation of the law.

Imagine that American law has been frozen for 1600 years. No?  Um, okay, how about 150 years. Imagine that American law has been frozen since 1858. That means that you are right now living in a country where blacks people are considered property. Where women cannot vote and birth control is illegal. Where females are not allowed entry to universities and child labor laws do not exist. Where you can be fired for not working on Shabbos and where housing can be denied to you because of your religious beliefs or skin color or marital status. You'd like to change some of these rules because they seem unfair. Maybe re-interpret some of the texts. But you can't. Because it's frozen so too bad. You make yourself feel better by saying that you accept "the whole system"- there are parts that you like and parts that you like less and it's a trade-off.  

Is that the will of God? A frozen system? Or does the will of God somehow change as society evolves? Why does Judaism fail to evolve and change while retaining its unique characteristics, whereas other systems, such as American law, seems to be able to do so with relative ease? Would Judaism fall apart completely if women were permitted to be rabbis? Or if  "do not light a fire on the sabbath day" was not interpreted to include electricity? Why?

 

Tags: hashkafa, rabbis, shabbos, women

05:26 pm: I haven't done one of these posts in a while...


On Lilith:
Lilith is a female demon. Just as an angel is the personification of some holy emotion, a demon is the personification of some evil emotion. In this case, Lilith (whose name is related to the Hebrew word for "night", "lailah") is the personification of man's s-xual lust as divorced from any context of true love or desire to increase G-dliness in this world - in other words: raw, self-indulgent, self-serving sensual pleasure. Man is intended to engage in s-xual pleasure as a spiritual pursuit that gives pleasure to his wife, makes him into a more holy person, and increases the Divine Image on earth (ideally by resulting in children). When instead, he engages in s-xual release simply for the "high" he enjoys from it, he is said to be copulating with Lilith...I read that the "vacht-nacht" ritual observed by some Jews the night before a bris is for the purpose of keeping Lilith and her entourage of demons way from the baby. That Lilith is on the lookout to kidnap Jewish boys, especially before their circumcision and this is why amulets and prayers are attached to the crib and the mother's bed, and why little schoolboys come and say prayers on behalf of the baby since the purity of their prayers is believed to have special power. Also, that the adult males stay awake all night and learn or say Tehillim so that hopefully, in the merit of their learning, Lilith and co. stay away.

On the Election...
 Obama is seriously a terrorist and is getting all that illegal 600 million from "anonymous" sources- the ARABS.
... whoever identifies as a Jew and not a self hating Jew and has self respect, get out and vote for McCaim,

More on the Election : Well, Hitler was an Austrian & Obama is a Black racist. Like Hitler, Obama has millions blindly following him. At this stage in the game, it take a miracle to prevent his victory. I don't see one happening. I think I will fast on Monday. That's how serious I am about this

On Mamzeirus... I hate to say this and I hope I don't get hell for this but wouldn't just having an abortion be better than tainting a child?

Tags: crazy, imamother, stupidity, women